Thought this was kind of interesting:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/relationships/what-men-want-thins-not-in/2008/04/05/1207249536770.html

Wooo Hooooo!!!

I really felt great reading that until I got to the sentence "Most guys would prefer more boob to thinner thighs"! What a horrible sentence to read if, like me, you've got sad, deflated looking booberinas!

Screw what men want,
What I want: For my body size not to be a priority to anyone but myself.

What I want: For my body size not to be a priority to anyone but myself.

:worship: :glee:

I agree with what Julie Thomson said in this article;

"It objectifies women and still perpetuates this ideal that men do look at women externally only"

If men are continually bombarded with surveys like this they may begin or even continue to look at women as sexual objects only!! I think when looking for a partner men often dismiss certain women just because of the way they look...whatever happened to getting to know someone and seeing the inner beauty? :explode:

I already knew men think this way! My boy's been drumming it into me for years! I however, still find myself not thin enough, as it is myself and other women I compare and rate my body on, not what my bf's perception or other mens perceptions of me think.

Yay :clapping:

With the sizing these days of clothing its so hard toeven know what size you are! I need to lose weight but this is for health reasons, not because I think I'm fat, which I know I'm not (depiste having stacked on a bit of weight)

With the sizing these days of clothing its so hard toeven know what size you are! I need to lose weight but this is for health reasons, not because I think I'm fat, which I know I'm not (depiste having stacked on a bit of weight)

I agree re: the clothing sizes. Its usually quite different in each shop!

Different sizing in different shops makes me feel depressed :(

it really does hey! If I try something on in a shop and the sizing is clearly smaller than average, I will refuse to go a size larger. Its a psychological thing

It is so weird! In Country Road and Cue atm I am an 8/10 or Small - and let me tell you, I am NOT this size!

Yeah thankfully I know which shops to avoid, otherwise I know I will be disappointed.

Like the ones where you don't even fit!

It is so weird! In Country Road and Cue atm I am an 8/10 or Small - and let me tell you, I am NOT this size!

hmmm maybe I should shop at these stores... :chuckle: I would love to be an 8/10!

hmmm maybe I should shop at these stores... :chuckle: I would love to be an 8/10!

Jaimie I imagine you are smaller than me so try it!

Like the ones where you don't even fit!

like the ones where the jeans are a size 12 and I can't even fit my calf into it :shakehead:

Yep! Then you try the 14 and they don't seem any bigger. Then you go buy cake.

Yep! Then you try the 14 and they don't seem any bigger. Then you go buy cake.

:chuckle: or feel like crying in the changeroom

Yep! Then you try the 14 and they don't seem any bigger. Then you go buy cake.

Hallelujah :shakehead:

My friends often have gorgeous clothes they've found in Asian shops and I will say 'Oh I love your top!' - and they will say 'yeah 8 bucks, bought it in Brunswick at the Asian store on...'

It kills me. A little piece of me dies everytime - I know I would not even fit into an XXXXXL at one of those shops!

Yeah pretty much! I don't do that much any more thank god - unless I am hormonal as hell. The cake I can always want though haha :chuckle:

like the ones where the jeans are a size 12 and I can't even fit my calf into it :shakehead:

I know how you feel about the jeans Jaime - a few years ago (when I was a size 6/8), I tried on some Calvin Klein jeans & I couldn't get my legs in the size 10 equivalent. So I went up a size - still couldn't do it. I even went back after I had a really bad strain of the flu & lost over 5 kilos - nope, still no luck! Now, I reckon I'd be lucky if I could get it any further past my shin! :chuckle:

Great article though. I feel a bit better now. I'm so conscious about my weight & it's not helped when people make comments about it. I'm not overweight for my height, but it's just how the weight is concentrated in one or 2 areas. I need to lose weight too for health reasons like Loola, but my actual reason for weight gain was because of health problems, so I'm in a bit of a loop with that. I have been on a low GI diet for 3 years now (hardly any sugar) & I don't eat any sweet or fatty food at all. And again, the diet thing is not for body image reasons, but for my own personal health - I think that should be the only thing that's important.

Blue - I hear you EXACTLY!

I gained a lot of weight then droppe da lot from health problems - my recent weight gain has been from a medication and putting on my jeans would cause me tears as until then Icouldn't work out why I was putting on weight. I would be totlaly happy to be the size I am now (minus the current extra weight) but overall I need to lose 5-7 kilos.

but overall I need to lose 5-7 kilos.

ideally, I would like to as well

Same here - 5 kilos, up to maximum 7 or 8 would be perfect. I know I'll just feel better & maybe have a bit more energy.

I had one physician who insisted I needed to lose 10-12 and I was horrified - not form the work it wold take, but that I would look so thin and gross!

Me three. But I am trying to not worry about it and embrace my 'curves' - my new thing is seeing really hot girls who are about my size and I want to be one of those! Although this means more effort... :redcheeks:

in my course we had this 'ideal bodyweight' calculation thingy. It told me I was 10kg overweight!! :shockedhair: There is no way I could be 10kg lighter - I'd be way too skinny!

Couldn't agree more C, but for health reasons iahave to lose weight, certainly not because I am not happy with myself, I am hott as.

Gee, 10kg is a lot of weight to lose. I reckon anything over 5kg should be done under the supervision of a health professional. And no more than 1kg a week weight loss is the safest and healthiest I reckon. It is definitely hard work. The funny thing is - those who are more overweight actually lose weight easier. When I first went to my dietician, I was losing a kilo a week - no problems. Then after I'd lost about 3 or 4kg - it got much harder & I was only losing about half a kilo a week or less. But she said that's what happens.

Couldn't agree more C, but for health reasons iahave to lose weight, certainly not because I am not happy with myself, I am hott as.

You go girl!

half a kilo is almost ideal to lose - slow and steady wins the race!

Now that I am off the fat causing medication and can start working out again, I hoep to have lost it in about 2-3 months.

that's true. The more weight you have to lose, the quicker the first lot will come off. Its when you hit that plateau you need to change things up a bit and get your body burning more calories.

half a kilo is almost ideal to lose - slow and steady wins the race!


yep, no one gains weight overnight! It takes months and months. So its going to take months and months to come off!

I want to see the pics that those guys were shown in the survey. I'll bet the bigger girls had ample boobies. If I put on weight it all goes to my bum, I would still be flat chested. As I am short I need to keep my weight down, I can't carry it as my taller friends do. Even just a couple of kilos is very noticable on me.

yep, no one gains weight overnight! It takes months and months. So its going to take months and months to come off!

Mine has piled on within the last 5 weeks :shakehead:

yep, no one gains weight overnight! It takes months and months. So its going to take months and months to come off!

This is why it's so frustrating though, and why i always full off the wagon.

EDIT: I meant why I full off the wagon losing weight - it takes so long to lose - but I think it is ridiculously easy to gain weight!

The other thing that really irks me (and upsets me) is how so many people assume that you've gained weight because of eating too much, or eating too much junk food. Everyone assumes that about me all the time. You don't just go from a size 6/8 to a size 12 within 3 months, when your diet is the same & your amount of physical activity is the same!

I'm upset that I can't fit into my Armani Exchange jeans that I got 4 years ago from the Crown Complex :( They're my favourite pair of jeans of all time - they fit so perfect, lengthwise as well. They didn't even need shortening like they always do!

Aww bluemelon :hugs: I understand completely.

I want to see the pics that those guys were shown in the survey

Kate said the same thing - and what were they wearing? Bikins? Underwear? Clothes? Were they all in the same stuff?? It all makes a difference!

Different sizing in different shops makes me feel depressed :(

This is crap and makes you feel really fat and frumpy a lot of the time. I bought two shirts last week. 1- a Sportscraft size 12 and the other a Perri Cutten size 18. How can two brands be sooooo different in their sizing. My boobs are 109cm. How can a size 12 possibly go around them???? But it did (feeling good at this point), next, Perri Cutten & size 18 (feeling fat) , then to the Trent Nathan section - doesn't even come close (Hate Trent Nathan)! Oh and went to Maggie T and her size 12 would have fitted me and the rest of the adorables all at the same time......grrrrr

I think the fashion industry should get real!

I torture myself over not being thin, not being pretty, not being healthy etc but in the end all it does is emotionally exaust me. I think that we all have to concentrate on being our best selves and forget about living up to everyone elses standards and just try to be happy and do what makes us feel comfortable with ourselves.

Every single person in special and worthwhile in their own way and instead of picking on ourselves for what we are not we should embrace what we are.

I agree, pcc. I actually stopped reading magazines because all that airbrushing is just getting ridiculous! If you keep comparing yourself to other people you'll never be happy. The way I've overcome this is by being utterly individual, so that I don't feel that I'm in the same 'league' as anybody else therefor there is nobody else to compare myself to anybody.

That's a brilliant attitude Toastie. You are an example for us all to follow.

Thanks pcc :)

Who cares what men 'prefer'? If the survey found that men prefer size 8 women (or even smaller) would that mean women would have to start starving themselves to fit a male's 'ideal' woman? If we really had to strive to fit an 'ideal' we'd probably injure our backs carrying the excess weight of our breasts and have to have numerous surgical procedures to keep from aging. What about preferring intelligence? Integrity? Principles? And what about lesbians - any surveys on what lesbians prefer? Anyway thats my feminist rant over for today..

Im naturally slim and petite, so I should start eating hamburgers all the time until im a 12 like the article says??? You can never win with them really, so yes I love the way you said it toastie! Being short and petite is also difficult some times cause you cant always find clothes that fit nicely (pants are either too long or wide, tops also cause i dont have massive boobs), but despite this Im happy cause no one can compare me to some celebrity or scale cause i aint them, im me dam it!

Ahhh who cares what guys think,.. I'm having the burger and beer anyhow :P

I think everyone needs to realise also that all men are different and generally, surveys mean nothing! Men find all types of women attractive and it always the entire package and not just womens' appearances that matter at the end of the day.

Women are their own worst enemies when it comes to size and appearance. My girlfriends and my partner all love my body and my appearance, but I often don't.

At the end of the day, it is really ourselves and our own opinions and feelings that we need to take notice of!

We really need to learn to accept and love ourselves.

Kate said the same thing - and what were they wearing? Bikins? Underwear? Clothes? Were they all in the same stuff?? It all makes a difference!

Yea, airbrushed, all goddesses! Ha stoopid men! :chuckle: I couldnt care less what they think is attractive, Im an 8 and bloody love it.

Im naturally slim and petite, so I should start eating hamburgers all the time until im a 12 like the article says??? You can never win with them really, so yes I love the way you said it toastie! Being short and petite is also difficult some times cause you cant always find clothes that fit nicely (pants are either too long or wide, tops also cause i dont have massive boobs), but despite this Im happy cause no one can compare me to some celebrity or scale cause i aint them, im me dam it!

Im with you Serena, Im not going to fatten myself up cos of some survey and girls shouldnt slim just because of it either. Now wheres our survey about how they should look!

Now wheres our survey about how they should look!

Good call.

Can I start?

Ummm... tall, dark and handsome.... :chuckle:

Good call.

Can I start?

Ummm... tall, dark and handsome.... :chuckle:

beefy and hairy for me.. if we are putting in our votes :chuckle:

Oh look, already we have varied wants!

Tall, dark hair, intelligent, wickedly funny, sweet, caring, supportive, passionate loyal, sporty and affectionate.

Tall, dark hair, intelligent, wickedly funny, sweet, caring, supportive, passionate loyal, sporty and affectionate.

I didn't go into personality traits because the FHM survey was only about looks (from what I can tell) - but those traits you mentioned are bang-on with what I would like too. OH and also - makes regular contact!!!

Yeah I was going with looks too :) haha.

haha true - that can fall into the caring and supportive thing maybe.

A footballers body. Mmmmm. Attractive and handsome (to me) but not prettier than me, and not thinner than me.

I like AFL bodies more than league and union bodies. Mmm.

Forshizzle.

I like AFL bodies more than league and union bodies. Mmm.

Same although I like football (soccer!) bodies the best. Not as stocky as AFL players - seem to be shorter and have a lean physique!

AFL - stocky?! No way!

Haha yeah I like AFL cos they're all tall and lean!

AFL - stocky?! No way!

Compared to football players they seem larger and I don't find that attractive.

Ahhh right. To me stocky is short and solid - like rugby players.

Oh yes rugby is the stockiest! I was comparing AFL (tall, large muscles) to Football/soccer who are often slimmer and shorter than AFL players.

AFL players are anyhting but stocky! Soccer player are definitely a bit shorter, kinda slender and petite.

I sometime forget my boy is a Footy player then I will fele his arm or see his body and be all = NOM NOM NOM NOM

I sometime forget my boy is a Footy player then I will fele his arm or see his body and be all = NOM NOM NOM NOM

:chuckle: :chuckle:

IT does make me laugh they pay him to play - seems so weird!

My brother gets paid a lot to play footy. He actually gets more per game to play here in Tassie than he earns per week in his actual job. As he is coaching he gets an annual salary for that as well as his match payments and incentives for things such as goals etc.

I found the article in the Sunday paper and scanned the pics of the girls. ;) My boy picked the girl in the middle who is the size 12 because "she is proportioned". I think most guys picked because she has nice boobs and is the best looking (IMO). I think it would be more realistic if they shot the girls all together in the same frame so that you can see the size differences clearly. As I think the size 8 & 12's body's look the same only 12 has bigger boobs.
What do you reckon?

I think the size 12 looks more like a 10! And the 14 has a fab tan - I need to get my St Tropez out :chuckle:

There isn't a whole lot of difference between the 8 and 12 except for the boobs, but I think it is good they are all wearing the same outfit.

Yeah that's right. Maybe the 8 is short and the 12 is much taller so has a bigger frame. ?????? Its all relative which is why I think they should have stood them next to each other.

Seems weird the 8 and 12 are 2 sizes apart yet almost identical, and the 12 and 14 are one size apart and look miles different...

Yeah that's right. Maybe the 8 is short and the 12 is much taller so has a bigger frame. ?????? Its all relative which is why I think they should have stood them next to each other.

And have them in the same pose!

I think all three have beautiful bodies!

I do too and no cellulite! Who are these people?????

the girl in the middle is a size 12?? :shockedhair: no way!

Yeah, she is so not a size 12. They are all beautiful girls! I would kill to look like any of 'em.

Maybe they picked the 12 cos she is kinda pulling on her pants suggestively

I think they all look fine. Except the 8 looks abit to skinny for me. But that's just my opinion.
And seriously as if any of those girls would have trouble finding a man.
They still went out and got the hottest "12" "8" and "14" they could find didn't they?

Yep! Then you try the 14 and they don't seem any bigger. Then you go buy cake.

:chuckle::chuckle::chuckle: I love you :hugs:

Me three. But I am trying to not worry about it and embrace my 'curves' - my new thing is seeing really hot girls who are about my size and I want to be one of those! Although this means more effort... :redcheeks:

I love girls who are confident in their bodies like Nicole Ritchie before she became anorexic. She looked gorgeous with a fuller figure.

I found the article in the Sunday paper and scanned the pics of the girls. ;) My boy picked the girl in the middle who is the size 12 because "she is proportioned". I think most guys picked because she has nice boobs and is the best looking (IMO). I think it would be more realistic if they shot the girls all together in the same frame so that you can see the size differences clearly. As I think the size 8 & 12's body's look the same only 12 has bigger boobs.
What do you reckon?

They should have gone on BMI not size cause of course a tall person is going to be a larger size (i.e. a 12) but may well look slimmer than a shorter size 10. Stooooooooopid magazine!!!! :explode:

I think the size 12 looks so like the size 8 it's ridiculous! I've gotta say I think the size 14 does look just gorgoeus, so sexy.

I'm not just saying this because i myself am a size 14, but i truly believe that the 14 girl in the phot looks sexy, playful and womanly. Also she has killer tan.

I'd be stoked to look like th size 14 girl in the photo. BUt i don't so i'll just have to deal with what i've got. :chuckle:

Yeah I think she's attractive and sexy, they all are in their own way which is another way to look at it - all different shapes and sizes but we're all beauitful and sexy and unique and funloving, the Australian aesthetic and attitude.

The girl who they claim is a 12 does not look like girls who i know who claim to be a 12 :whistle:

The girl who they claim is a 12 does not look like girls who i know who claim to be a 12 :whistle:

I'm a twelve and I don't look like that! Her arms are wack! :chuckle:

I'm not just saying this because i myself am a size 14, but i truly believe that the 14 girl in the phot looks sexy, playful and womanly. Also she has killer tan.

I'd be stoked to look like th size 14 girl in the photo. BUt i don't so i'll just have to deal with what i've got. :chuckle:

I agree and so does my boyfriend. He picked her as number one. And he could not stand me when I was too thin. He has a great attitude towards womans bodies.

yep so does mine ceejaye - thank god
i have always been "big" but proportioned, but not so these days , my tummy is massive , very hard to dress this body ATM

this survey wasn't really 'fair' like u girls r saying [as well] , & it may well be the booby thing , but it has been documented b4 about this theory , but no point trying to figure out which one is "better" though as there is no perfect , perfect will differ from person to person , size to size

I'm sorry, but that middle one isn't a 12 - no way - unless she's one of those 12's that fits the supertiny clothes that are everywhere around here. Either way, they all look good, although the one on the left is tiny as!