(Just for Aimee, who keeps asking me to post this because I keep not posting it when I say I will.) Apply a nude, neutral shadow over your eyelid, or even just some loose powder. This hides veins and gives the eyes a fresher, open look. Use an angled, thin, flat brushe, they are crucial for good liner application, (and make any eye shadow into liner with a bit of water.) Wet it and dip into a light-medium brown shadow...

Read on in fruitybeauty's blog... (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Fruitybeauty/~3/244531319/the-new-simple.html)

Oooh great tips! STILL must get me one of these liners...

I used to struggle with the wings, but practice fixed that.

this is basically how I do my eyes 99% of the time, although I use liquid e/l, or pencils, over the shadow. And I don't always use the shadow wet either..... I am slack!

i have never owned or tried liquid eye liner cause it looks so hard - but i should print up these instructions and give it a go sometime !

Liquid is all I wear!

I should try liquid out again, maybe one of the gel ones. I have a pen style one but i always just seem to get it in my eye-lashes or on my eye lid and it looks so messy and gross :explode:

Definitely give gel a try dela - it's a good, workable consistency if you're not too fussed on liquid. I recommend Bobbi Brown, M.A.C Fluidline and the Stila Smudge Pots are also excellent.