Hi Allison,
I'm in Adelaide, otherwise i would have loved to have come in for a consultation... this will have to suffice!

I'm in need of some Ultraceuticals advice, mainly to ensure i am using the correct products and in the right order/routine. I am currently also using a couple of Dermalogica products, however I have used them on and off over the years and find them to do little for my skin so will phase them out as they run out.

I am 33 years of age, and for about the last 10 years have struggled with breakouts, probably hormonal. I see a naturopath (and have seen a dietician in the past, although I'm a nurse so didn,t find they could tell me anything i didn't already know. I have a healthy diet and drink plenty of water.

Current routine:

AM
Dermalogica special cleansing gel (almost out so happy to change, have tried UC cleansing gel, the tube drives me crazy but could be persuaded to use agian if need be)
UC even skin tone serum (only added this a few weeks ago)
Occasionally use the UC ultra moisturising gel when needed but thats not often
LM tinted moistursier

PM
Special cleansing gel
UC treatment gel - I use this as an overnight mask with no trouble with dryness however am wondering if the Ultra A serum might be better? possibly with the ESTS at night instead of morning?
Sometimes add Dermalogical gentle soothing booster
UC ultramositurising gel when needed

Dermalogica gentle cream exfoliant twice a week

LM deep cleansing clay mask once a week (alomost out and not really overly excited by this product)

Any advice would be appreciated and thanks in advance,

:waving:

Also thought I should add......
I have combination skin (I think) T zone gets shiny as the day goes on, sometimes have dry patches but resolve with a little moisturiser. I have been told in the past i have "sensitised" (not sensitive) skin as when I've had facials the girls note that some products make my skin go bright red, ie the last one was a Thalgo cleanser. The breakouts are occuring in no specific area, which is the confusing part. Chin area when i'm pre-menstrual but these are obviously hormonal, otherwise they can appear anywhere from my forehead to my cheeks. The occasional little white ones don't bother me so much, but the regularly appearing ones tend to be more of the sore/red type that take aggggeeesss to disappear no matter what you apply to them. As one finally disappears, within a couple of days i will have another one emerging!!
Hope this helps and I'm happy to be more specific if need be.

ok well it sounds like we need to beef up this routine of yours a bit here.

So here is what I suggest.

AM

Cleanse with the triple action cleanser in the alpha h range:http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=390

follow with the even skintone serum:http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=1829

follow this with the Ultra c sheer moisturiser cream:http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=4734

this will give you a matte finish so you will be fine to be using this and then your tinted moisturiser. this formula of vitamin c is excellent in healing and preventing break outs. You will see a big difference in your skin tone in the coming months! (I will write a dedicated blog to vitamin c very soon going into more detail)

finish with your tinted moisturiser:http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=7417

and an eye cream, the ultraceuticals ultra a eye cream:http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=1835

PM

cleanse as above

follow with the skinceuticals .5% retinol serum: http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=8601
have a read of my beauty blog about retinol and it will explain all! Start on this every second night to begin with for the first two weeks and see how your skin is coping then try your skin on it every night.

follow this with the alpha h balancing moisturiser: http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=380
this will add a little extra glycolic into the daily routine to keep the skin clear yet hydrated.

and of course the eye cream as above.

If you want to try a new exfoliant you can look at either the alpha h microcleanse: http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=3689

or the

MD formulations face and body scrub: http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=3881

if you want to look at another mask/s I suggest the Alpha h duo that work so well together:

purifying mask: http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=385

apply this first and then follow it with the

15% glycolic mask: http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=383

So I think what I have given you above covers all bases for now. Please let me know if you have any other questions about what I have done with your routine. Keep us posted in this thread of your skin's progress and we can work out if there needs to be any changes made here and there as you run out of products down the track.

xxx

Wonderful advice, thanks Allison!

I will hopefully place my adore order later tonight. After reading through the forums, I had thought also of the Alpha H range, in particular the cleanser so its good to know at least I was kinda on the right track.

Was just wondering if I could perhaps start with just one of the moisturiser options? If I had to choose between the UC or the Alpha H, which would be more beneficial for the breakout issue?

I will definately keep you up to date on my progress.
Thanks again and I can't wait to get started!

Just organising my order. I might finish up my UC Ultraclear treatment gel (have been using for a few months and tolerate it with no problems) before moving on to the skinceuticals 0.5 retinol serum. I know the skinceuticals has more retinol in it though so I am guessing when I purchase this I will still need to start on the 0.5%, despite the fact I am already using retinol?

I am confused about the benefits of Vitamin C and A (retinol). For breakout prone skin such as mine which would be more effective for preventing breakouts......
UC ultra sheer facial cream (vit C) - you mentioned this would be good for healing
UC ultra A treatment serum (retinol) - I was thinking of trying this prior to your suggestion of the skinceuticals serum, which would be better for me? I have been very happy with UC so far so am hesitant to deviate
For the last few months I have been using the UC ultra clear treatment gel and I really do believe it has been helping. I use it all over my face at night and sometimes even in the morning with no problems. I noticed the ultra A serum has higher retinol however so would this be better?

Sorry to have so many questions, its just that I have spent so much money on products and the treatment gel does seem to work but I also don't want to harm my skin from overuse etc.

Also, once I have these uc products sorted I'm keen to get the alpha h cleanser and moisturiser you have recommended. Just trying to get the whole routine sorted in the best way possible!

Hi tigereyes

i thought i would see if i can help , now i am doing this from memory,
one of the UC vit A thingys has .3% retinol & the skinceuticals is .5% & then u can work up to their 1% strength, so i think this is why Allison tends to reccommend this line for that type of product:rollthoseeyes:

I am confused about the benefits of Vitamin C and A (retinol). For breakout prone skin such as mine which would be more effective for preventing breakouts......
UC ultra sheer facial cream (vit C) - you mentioned this would be good for healing
UC ultra A treatment serum (retinol) - I was thinking of trying this prior to your suggestion of the skinceuticals serum, which would be better for me? I have been very happy with UC so far so am hesitant to deviate
For the last few months I have been using the UC ultra clear treatment gel and I really do believe it has been helping. I use it all over my face at night and sometimes even in the morning with no problems. I noticed the ultra A serum has higher retinol however so would this be better?

Sorry to have so many questions, its just that I have spent so much money on products and the treatment gel does seem to work but I also don't want to harm my skin from overuse etc.

Also, once I have these uc products sorted I'm keen to get the alpha h cleanser and moisturiser you have recommended. Just trying to get the whole routine sorted in the best way possible!


Hi Tiger Eyes,

Yes I can understand how it can all be very confusing. Vitamin A is like Allision says is a nuclear bomb for break outs :clapping: Vit C works to strengthen the skin and is a great anti-inflammatory. It is also great for healing scarring too :penguin:

The ultimate combination is to use Vit C during the day under your sunscreen and vit A at night. Vit A makes ur skin photo-sensative (sensative to the sun) which can lead to hyper-pigmentation if you dont wear a sunscreen during the day so 30+ is a must must must.

The Skinceuticals Retinol serum is stronger than the U/C and there for has more zit zapping power :clapping::whipcrack: As Allison has prescribed you can use this by itself at night under the balancing moisturiser. I personally believe this will be better than the Ultra Clear gel for your skin as I'm sure Allison would agree (???)

Hope that has helped :waving:

Thanks so much for your assistance girls. I see what you are both saying, just trying not to strain the budget too much I guess.
So far I have......

Alpha H triple action cleanser
Alpha H balancing moisturiser
UC even skin tone (had this already) (?white gold better or same or worse? - just planning for when i run out)
UC ultra treatment gel (had this already)

so from here...... now I think I need......

UC ultra sheer facial cream

Skinceuticals serum 0.5%, I'll purchase this once the treatment gel has run out to use as its replacement

? ultra A treatment serum.... I'm thinking I can get away without this as long as I intoduce the skinceuticals serum as the skinceuticals has a higher retinol content anyway. Would that be any good?

I think I'm getting there!!! I think.........:whistle:

In saying all this I only have one pimple at the moment thanks to a combination of even skin tone and ultra clear treatment gel. So up and down its craziness:shakehead:

Thanks so much for your assistance girls. I see what you are both saying, just trying not to strain the budget too much I guess.
So far I have......

Alpha H triple action cleanser
Alpha H balancing moisturiser
UC even skin tone (had this already) (?white gold better or same or worse? - just planning for when i run out)
UC ultra treatment gel (had this already)

so from here...... now I think I need......

UC ultra sheer facial cream

Skinceuticals serum 0.5%, I'll purchase this once the treatment gel has run out to use as its replacement

? ultra A treatment serum.... I'm thinking I can get away without this as long as I intoduce the skinceuticals serum as the skinceuticals has a higher retinol content anyway. Would that be any good?

I think I'm getting there!!! I think.........:whistle:

In saying all this I only have one pimple at the moment thanks to a combination of even skin tone and ultra clear treatment gel. So up and down its craziness:shakehead:


the UC Vit c - sheer would be good , probably use the skinceuticals retinol instead of the UC ultra A serum [one or the other only]
check with Allison reagrding the white or liquid gold , vs the ESTS , i prefer the latter but they have slightly different components

hope this helps :waving::rollthoseeyes:

I agree fusspot you will need either U/c Vit A serum Tigereyes OR the skinceuticals Retinol serum 0.5%. They do the same thing and the skincuticals one is stronger.

Liquid gold and ESTS personally arent better or worse than each other just different. ESTS uses Lactic Acid and salicylic acid and Liquid Gold uses Glycolic acid. I think this is the main difference. I'm not sure of the %'s of Liquid Gold to know if one is stronger than the other.

It sounds like you have a great routine going. I think the retinol will be the extra BOOST your routine needs to really zap thos zits and in combination witht he healing of the vit c you should be on the way to fabulous skin in no time :clapping::hugs::waving:

YAY!!!!! I agree, I'll go for the skinceuticals 0.5% serum rather than the ultra a serum (phew that cancels one off the list!). Understand totally about the retinol content now.... makes perfect sense. If I'm getting ok results just with the uc treatment gel (much less retinol as you know) just imagine what effect the skinceuticals 0.5% will have!! I'm using the LM oilfree tinted moisiuriser and UC mineral makeup for coverage when I need it. SPF 20+ in LM, is this enough protection in regards to the retinol I'll be using?

I'll add the uc sheer too eventually.

You're all so helpful and I am learning so much (despite the confused sounding posts..... just me venting and getting things straight in my head) - awesome forums girls and glad to be a part of it all.

:worship:

I think liquid gold is 5% gylcolic

Hey y'all!

wow a million questions to answer so here goes:

Now ultra c vs balancing moisturiser: now you can't use the ultra C sheer more than once a day. The skin only absorbs a certain amount of vitamin c and then rest is not used by the skin so it's a waste. The balancing moisturiser can be used twice a day but then you are only getting your glycolic fix without the strengthening and healing benefits (and anti aging effects) of the vitamin c. So ideally having both in there gives your skin the balanced diet that it needs right now.

ultra clear vs .5% retinol: the ultra clear serum is great stuff. It has AHA and BHA as well as .15% retinol and tea tree. All great stuff in there. Thing is we are going to give your skin some glycolic and BHA in other parts of the routine now and your skin will probably respond really well to a higher percentage of retinol.

C vs A: I think some of the gals have clarified this one. C does some healing and some strengthening and some clearing and it a brilliant antioxidant where A does some deep cleaning some collagen boosting some exfoliating and improves texture. Both work well together but each cover some different bases there to work for the team together.

White Gold or Liquid Gold Vs Even Skintone Serum: White gold is the alpha H product that is geared toward pigmentation (with added melanin inhibitors) where liquid gold is the all purpose exfoliating/clearing product. Both contain glycolic acid which does the exfoliating. Even skintone serum does have a melanin inhibitor to prevent pigmentation, instead of glycolic acid it contains a mix of Lactic and salicylic acid. All these products are great in their own right.

Ultraceuticals Ultra A serum vs Skinceuticals .5% Retinol: The ultraceuticals serum is excellent and still very strong at .3% retinol. Some skins would do very well to begin with this one. Skinceuticals .5% retinol is as it says- .5%. The retinols in the skinceuticals range go up to 1% which is damned strong and to be used only after the .5% has been used for a period of time.

Sunscreen in make up enough?: simple answer= no. I say no because it's a bit risky. Is it broad spectrum? Do you also apply a sunscreen to all the other areas that you don't apply your foundation to? In my opinion it is better to apply your sunscreen to your face, neck and décolletage as well as your make up (obviously just to your face). That way you know that your skin is well protected.

Ok, so I think that I have covered all your questions here. If not shoot me some more... :penguin:


xxx lady a

:chuckle:
Hehehehe, I'm lost for words Allison (and thats rare believe me)! All I can say is thanks a bunch and I am progressing nicely with the alpha h cleanser and balancing moisturiser, bringing in my even skin tone serum and UC treatment gel just to use it up more than anything. So far so good.
Gotcha about the retinol and 5% skinceuticals is my next purchase, the higher retinol in it than the Utra a serum sounds better for me..... as you first suggested.
Also gotcha about the vit C, so onto the list does the ultra C sheer goes too.
I have the ESTS already so I'll stick to that for now and think about giving the liquid gold a go as its replacement when i'm out of it (have been reading the reviews so still undecided on this one...... in fact reading the reviews is probably what got me so confused in the first place..... hehe, all good though)
Phew think thats it.
Once again........ big thank you's to you all!!
Will update my progress and shush up a bit i promise :whistle:

Fabulous overview Lady A. :clapping:

I agree.... awesome.
:worship:

Is it ok to wear ultra C sheer over ESTS at night? It says to use aha at night and the ultra C sheer in the morning. :confused:

Hey Trash,
as you've probably noticed I'm probably not the best person to advise (I'm getting ther mind you and have read these forums several times over, so cool) however, I'm pretty sure the vit C in Ultra C sheer would work with your sunscreen better to assist with sun protection.
Girls?? anyone..... anyone........

And just when you think I was going to be quiet...... here she goes again.......

I just remembered i have some C-10 serum in the cupboard that i got in a pack earlier this year. Would this be any good as the vit C I'm needing? Or no good for breakout prone skin.

Also, I'm needing to up my sun protection I reckon. Which one would be better for avoiding breakouts....... MG invisble zinc (tinted) or UC 30+. I have both of these already so could use either in place of my LM tinted which only has spf 20+ and don't think its broad spectrum but can't be sure.

Hey Trash,
as you've probably noticed I'm probably not the best person to advise (I'm getting ther mind you and have read these forums several times over, so cool) however, I'm pretty sure the vit C in Ultra C sheer would work with your sunscreen better to assist with sun protection.
Girls?? anyone..... anyone........

word girlfriend :clapping: sounds spot on to me

TigerEyes, we don't usually recommend C-10 for breakout-prone skin... but hey, if you've got some on hand, give it a try and see how it goes.
Vitamin C is an antioxidant, and yes antioxidants do improve the effectiveness of sunscreen in terms of preventing sun damage to the skin.

Re sunscreen and breakouts - either of the two you mentioned would be fine. LM tinted is not broad spectrum.

Hey again,

Kate is right there, C-10 can be not so brilliant for skin prone to congerstion... The base that it's in is not great for blackhead prone skin so that's why I went with the ultra c sheer.

As for the other questions about AHA's and C at night time... bah humbug I am the master! Do as I say! Ok joking there but there is method to my madness (although some would disagree!)

I usually try to balance out actives in a program some at night and some in the morning so the skin is not overloaded at one end of the day.

Usually any high potency retinols will be recommended at night... doesn't ever matter with vitamin C - that can go anywhere so depending on what else is in the skin program then we slot it in accordingly. As for AHA/BHA- doesn't matter either too much so it gets thrown into the program where it will work best depending on the skin that I am working with and the results that we want to gain.

make sense


oh and thanks for the accolades gals!

OK got it..... Vit A at night, Vit C during the day...... and i even get why!
Now..... to ponder some more on the UC diminish...that has both and is a luring option i must admit

And I think I won't take the risk with the C-10 serum at all, thats destined to remain in the cupboard

:redcheeks:
I hope this is going to be ok, but I got the Ultra c diminish (10& vit C and 0.55% retinol) instead of the ultra c sheer (I know that has 20% C as opposed to 10% in diminish) and skinceuticals 0.5% retinol serum. I have never used a vit C product before so i thought I could sacrifice the vit c content at least to start with.
So I think this is what it will look like once I have eased these products in to ensure I'm comfortable:

am
Alpha h triple action cleanser
UC ESTS
Alpha h balancing moisturiser (may not need this in am but it seems to prevent some oiliness)
MG tinted invisible zinc (using this now instead of LM tinted as MG is broad spectrum)
UC mineral (just a light dusting for coverage)

pm
Alpha h triple action cleanser
UC diminish
Alpha h balancing moisturiser

I tried a sample of the alpha h microcleanse but found it quite harsh, I'm more of a fan of a chemical exfoliant rather than a physical one. I am finishing up my dermalogica gentle cream exfoliant. I'm wondering since i have a whole lot of exfoliation going on with the alpha h and uc daily products, do i still need to exfoliate intensely a couple of times a week or will my daily dose be enough.

Aim to try the alpha h masks that have been recommended too!
Haven't got the eye cream yet either but its still on the list don't worry!

I have been told that the diminish is fine for breakout prone skin (similar to the c sheer in that way) but i did notice the propylene glycol content. Hmm, wondering a bit about that now.
Diminish ingredients: "Propylene glycol dicaprylate/dicaprate (and) stearalkonium hectorite (and) propylene carbonate, cyclomethicone/dimethicone crosspolymer, ascorbic acid, ethanol, dimethyl isosorbide, silica, caprylic/capric triglyceride (and) retinol, aluminium starch octenylsuccinate, tetrahydrodiferuloylmethane, thioctic acid, tocopheryl acetate, glycyrrhiza glabra (licorice) root extract, boswellia serrata extract, fragrance, ceramide 2".

phew that was long sorry!!

Its a week since i started using alpha h triple action cleanser and balancing moisturiser..... my skin is a mess!!! And its constantly tingly, sometimes with a burning feeling. I also tried a sample of the glycolic hydrating mask and geepers..... that burnt so much i had to wash it off!! My face feels very fragile at the moment. I was still using my ESTS at night however did stop a few days ago as i thought I might be experiencing aha overload. I have used my UC diminish once also but not since friday night as I know i need to ease this in slowly.
Does anyone have any helpful suggestions? Could this just be my skin getting used to the new products do you think? I feel horrible, the lumps are big red sore ones, I have about four of them.... ggrrrrrrr.

Its a week since i started using alpha h triple action cleanser and balancing moisturiser..... my skin is a mess!!! And its constantly tingly, sometimes with a burning feeling. I also tried a sample of the glycolic hydrating mask and geepers..... that burnt so much i had to wash it off!! My face feels very fragile at the moment. I was still using my ESTS at night however did stop a few days ago as i thought I might be experiencing aha overload. I have used my UC diminish once also but not since friday night as I know i need to ease this in slowly.
Does anyone have any helpful suggestions? Could this just be my skin getting used to the new products do you think? I feel horrible, the lumps are big red sore ones, I have about four of them.... ggrrrrrrr.

Tiger eyes I had he exact same thing happen to me. As a self-confessed peel floosie I love the tingles but my tingles kept going to the point i felt like i had a peel on my face. It was hot and stingy. I moved back my Balancing moisturiser to every other night or twice a week and built it up and now im fine. Glycolic is a little more aggressive at getting into the skin than the Lactic thats in the U/C range. Please correct me if im wrong but I would step it back and build it back up again. :waving: Let us know how you go. I would back off the glycolic mask till you can tolerate the moisturiser more regularly or till your skin stops tingling as much after each application.
I would touch some ESTS on your breakouts under ur balancing moisturiser at night time. or sleep with a dab of the glycolic mask just on ur spots.:penguin:

Thanks TBA, I do remember reading your posts with similar issues and will see if I can find them again. I'm so glad theres someone out there who can relate to this problem as at the moment I'm feeling very miserable about the whole thing. I know thats pathetic but I can't help it.
I think you're right too, it does seem to be the balancing moisturiser thats so irritating, it really burns. i put it on this morning and then washed it off again as it just wasn't settling and the burning was incredible. Will i get used to it if i ease it in more gently or is it possible I just can't use glycolic. i never had this issue with my UC products and understand also your explanation re lactic vs glycolic. No more glycolic hydrating mask for me.
The massive pimple on my chin is now peeling and weeping around it making it look at least double its size. Its horrible and the skin around my eyebrows too is very tender and red in patches.

What a mess
:shakehead:

I second The_Beauty_Addict's advice - ease up on the glycolics until the irritation subsides, and then slowly ease back in till you find the point where your skin is comfortable.

Thanks kate and TBA. I'll stick to your advice as I agree totally.
:hugs:

Oh lord,

sorry I have not been around but sounds like you are back on track... ok to clarify what you have done with the new routine:

am
Alpha h triple action cleanser
UC ESTS (use this only every second day to begin with for a couple of weeks)
Alpha h balancing moisturiser (you can skip this step for the first couple of weeks and introduce it every second day or alternate it with even skintone serum until your skin feels ok.)
MG tinted invisible zinc (using this now instead of LM tinted as MG is broad spectrum)
UC mineral (just a light dusting for coverage)

pm
Alpha h triple action cleanser
UC diminish (this has .5% retinol so if you skin feels a bit senstised then go back to using it every second night)
Alpha h balancing moisturiser (with this on top of the diminish no wonder your skin felt like it had been blasted... you have a lot of AHA and retinol in this routine... your skin wouldn not have known what to do with it all! :chuckle:)

I had a bit of a giggle when you went and put more glycolic on your skin - using the mask and all! you silly gal! sorry, I think it's ok to laugh in retrospect.

GO EASY GAL! It's easy to get all excited with new products, but your skin needs some time to take it all in so pull back and then gradually introduce things gently.

Keep us posted and hopefully your skin will be much happier soon.

xx

I know Iknow..... silly duffa!!! I should know better.
I love the way you start with "oh Lord".... I could almost see your eyes rolling!! :chuckle:
I was using the ESTS before anyway for about a month prior to commencing all the other new stuff and my skin feels fine with that but am being gentle on it for a bit just in case.
I only used the UC diminish once, last friday, and haven't used it since so I will wait until I'm a bit more settled before getting stuck into that one!
Haven't been using the balancing moisturiser at all since friday either as it was burning like crazy so I'm having another rest. Using my UC ultra moisturising gel instead at night for a breather.
And no Glycolic masks for me for a while either, something tells me I am exfoliated enough for the time being!!
It is ok to laugh at me, I can handle it...... bring it on!!!

Yay to settled skin soon.... I hope!

Many many thanks as usual
;)

Can I ask a question. With the Retinol content of the Diminish would every second night be too much for a new user?? Would a days grace be enogh to prevent retinol face??

Can I ask a question. With the Retinol content of the Diminish would every second night be too much for a new user?? Would a days grace be enogh to prevent retinol face??

Holy cow, what's retinol face?

Holy cow, what's retinol face?


Retinol speed up cell renewal. If you use too much too soon you can give yourself whats essentially a peel. Your skin goes red and flaky. Its what my face will look like in a few days from my Vitapeel but thats kinda different to retinol face. You do get sensative a little. Poor kate gave herself this the other week :hugs: Not nice. :shakehead: Vit A should always be eased into any new routine (well that my view at least) too much too soon will result in garunteed retinol face.

I used the Ultra A serum every single night when i first bought it and had no problems. It has 0.3% vit a (retinol) Diminish and skin ceuticals retinol has ).55% and 0.5% respectvely. It was the later that kate used. I havent tried the diminish yet but I would assume the same easy does it rule applies. Even tho its only 0.2% more it makes a BIIIGG difference because it is essentially almost double the amount!!

haha I dont think I can even give short answers :chuckle::whistle: Does that makes sense PCC??

Ha ha ha... my slang is now being used as a technical term! I love it!! :chuckle:

Ok, so you get the idea of retinol face- sometimes a pinkness with a bit of a flakey look in patches. I have done it because I have 1% retinol. (only for the tough gals! :chuckle:)

I would start on a .5% twice a week for the first week just to see how your skin responds and then step it up a little bit with frequency- but slowly so your skin adjusts..


Good to know you are back on track tiger eyes!!

xxx

Ha ha ha... my slang is now being used as a technical term! I love it!! :chuckle:

Ok, so you get the idea of retinol face- sometimes a pinkness with a bit of a flakey look in patches. I have done it because I have 1% retinol. (only for the tough gals! :chuckle:)

I would start on a .5% twice a week for the first week just to see how your skin responds and then step it up a little bit with frequency- but slowly so your skin adjusts..


Good to know you are back on track tiger eyes!!

xxx

Thanks Allison!!

Im dying to give the Diminish a go then I am lining up for the 1% FA SURE!!!:penguin::clapping::glee:

I don't think it's a good idea that I go anywhere near retinol. Luisa Brown would go into melt down if I overdosed myself on this. I guess you could say I get a little over enthusiastic with my products!

Ummm do you think I could use the U/C Ultra Sheer cream thingy or would I be at risk of doing some damage with that as well?

Ummm do you think I could use the U/C Ultra Sheer cream thingy or would I be at risk of doing some damage with that as well?


Hey Pcc. Great to see ya braving U/c!! :waving::clapping:

The sheer wont EVER "do damage" It's just not in its nature. Its like saying vit E is going to damage ur skin. Just not going to happen.

I would start out on the C-10 seeing as your skin is a bit sensative. Use up your bottle of that (I know that hard to use it all up to the bottom) but after that then you can go onto the Sheer. Your skin is sensative and you need to strengthen your skin first before moving through the ranks. It will just tingle like hell no harm tho. And retinol!! STAY THE FRO AWAY MY FRIEND!! You can MAAAYBE start on them after you start on the sheer but not before. Strength before retiol ok! :hugs::waving::glee::chuckle:

xox

hey i used the vit c sheer this morning & i got no tingling or barely any warmth & i did massage as well ????
what's up ???

Ok, things seem to be settling down (thank goodness!!). I haven't been using the balancing moisturiser at all and I feel much more settled. ESTS daily is fine, and I've even cracked the Diminish but still just at about once every three days. All is well. I still have a yukky dry, thickened skin bit where I had that breakout that decided to peel off half my chin, and it looks disgusting but its healing so thats the main thing. Yay!!
Its horrible to feel so self conscious about your skin. Every time I spoke to someone this week I was positive they were looking at my chin. Of course they weren't (at least I hope not). Paranoia at its finest!

PCC the sheer has no retinol at all in it as the girls have said, so no fear of retinol face with that one. If your not prone to breakouts the C-10 would be a good C starting point. Wow look at me..... suddenly the expert.

I think its Rasberry beret who is the massive MG tinted fan, and although I had tried it earlier and not found it great, I'm back onto it now and I'm loving it. RBB you would be proud!!

Stay tuned for the next update instalment :penguin:

hey i used the vit c sheer this morning & i got no tingling or barely any warmth & i did massage as well ????
what's up ???

Hey fusspot!!

All is well. The warm tingles are just your skin taking in the vit C. After a while you skin adjusts to having the higher strength i the skin and it doesnt tingle.This is completely normal. Still works. Just maintaining the levels. :clapping::worship:

Hey fusspot!!

All is well. The warm tingles are just your skin taking in the vit C. After a while you skin adjusts to having the higher strength i the skin and it doesnt tingle.This is completely normal. Still works. Just maintaining the levels. :clapping::worship:


but it was my very first time ??

glad u like the MG IZ tigereyes it is such a great product

I remember you saying how great it was before fusspot..... I should have stuck it out a bit longer back then, I think its the application that takes a bit of getting used too. I'm not using as much now and its fab!

I remember you saying how great it was before fusspot..... I should have stuck it out a bit longer back then, I think its the application that takes a bit of getting used too. I'm not using as much now and its fab!

it took me ages to get used to it as well

but it was my very first time ??

glad u like the MG IZ tigereyes it is such a great product

Have you up graded from the C-10??

No problem that you dont have any tingles. Bonus I would say. :clapping: Enjoy using it! Its a great product! :glee:

Have you up graded from the C-10??

No problem that you dont have any tingles. Bonus I would say. :clapping: Enjoy using it! Its a great product! :glee:

nope , only a little sample that i finished ages ago, i was a bit worried as i thought it needed to tingle to work :whistle: thanks TBA

nope , only a little sample that i finished ages ago, i was a bit worried as i thought it needed to tingle to work :whistle: thanks TBA

Fusspot, that was my experience when I started using the Ultra C Sheer but then I got not so much a tingling but an "irritated" skin sensation. A friend who has used both the Sheer and the 23% cream can only use the cream as even though the percentage is higher, the Sheer was giving her too much trouble and irritation. I believe the cream is in a different base and better for sensitive/drier complexions.

Fusspot, that was my experience when I started using the Ultra C Sheer but then I got not so much a tingling but an "irritated" skin sensation. A friend who has used both the Sheer and the 23% cream can only use the cream as even though the percentage is higher, the Sheer was giving her too much trouble and irritation. I believe the cream is in a different base and better for sensitive/drier complexions.

Very true Luisa:clapping::waving:

Very true Luisa:clapping::waving:

i have combo skin though & am not normally sensitive i did try the cream but it was too heavy, i'll keep my fingers crossed

Hope the sheer works for you fusspot!

i have combo skin though & am not normally sensitive i did try the cream but it was too heavy, i'll keep my fingers crossed

yes if you dont have too much impairment of your skins natural barrier function or need the extra nourishment the 20% sheer is perfect and is recommended for combo/oily skin types

I know I'm chopping and changing a bit but the alpha h products were just not doing it for me....(I can hear you all gasping in horror). Sorry.
As you know I haven't been using the balancing moisturiser for a week now and things feel soooo much more settled. The triple action cleanser is ok but I just didn't feel right with it so I went back to my UC cleansing gel ( had used this in the past before).
Heres where I'm at:

am
UC gel cleanser
ESTS (am experimenting using this at night currently only on the nights I don't use diminish)
MG tinted IZ

pm
UC gel cleanser
UC diminish (still only a couple of times a week at this stage)
UC hydrating gel (i had this already)

I still use the UC treatment gel on the spots to help clear but am hoping I can do without that eventually.
UC exfoliating cleansing gel (twice a week from samples but will probably purchase)

When things become even more settled would it be too much for my skin to use my diminish and ESTS together at night? Or would this be massive overload? For some reason using the ESTS in the morning seems to make my skin quite sensitive.

I know so many girls here love alpha h, and I know I was only using it for a couple of weeks but I really feel my skin responds better to UC and alpha h was the irritating culprit. I probably should have given it more time, but when I had to take a day off work because my skin was so upset eary last week I was losing faith.

i have combo skin though & am not normally sensitive i did try the cream but it was too heavy, i'll keep my fingers crossed
Oh I'm glad you said that Fusspot cos I was going to buy ultra c sheer and wasn't sure if I should go for the cream or the sheer. I'll go for the sheer now I think. Do tell us how it goes Fusspot :waving:

Hey Pcc. Great to see ya braving U/c!! :waving::clapping:

The sheer wont EVER "do damage" It's just not in its nature. Its like saying vit E is going to damage ur skin. Just not going to happen.

I would start out on the C-10 seeing as your skin is a bit sensative. Use up your bottle of that (I know that hard to use it all up to the bottom) but after that then you can go onto the Sheer. Your skin is sensative and you need to strengthen your skin first before moving through the ranks. It will just tingle like hell no harm tho. And retinol!! STAY THE FRO AWAY MY FRIEND!! You can MAAAYBE start on them after you start on the sheer but not before. Strength before retiol ok! :hugs::waving::glee::chuckle:

xox

Ok I am working on the strengthening! I am working on the strengthening! Did I tell you I'm working on the strengthening? C-10 serum everyday! Hope you are proud of me:chuckle:

Hope the sheer works for you fusspot!

so do i , touch wood i don't get sensitive , is this what u found RBB ?

i just hope it is working ok without the warmth , maybei will check with Allison , oh hang on we r already on her thread :redcheeks::chuckle:

So lady Allison what do u make of my situation especially as i'm about to recieve my diminish as well:glee:

so do i , touch wood i don't get sensitive , is this what u found RBB ?

Yeah, but then again I introduced it pretty much straight after a peel and used it every single day, instead of going in gradually. Was also my first foray into actives. So of course I went in hard! Silly duffa, I am.

If you've already been using Vit C/other active products maybe you won't get a tingle...?

Might leave this to the Lady A though!

Hey girls...... Fuss, I didn't get any tingling or warmth when i started on the diminish. Not worried though. Should i be? I've never used a vit C product before either.

When things become even more settled would it be too much for my skin to use my diminish and ESTS together at night? Or would this be massive overload? For some reason using the ESTS in the morning seems to make my skin quite sensitive.

Tiger Eyes ESTS and Diminsh together should be fine. They arent doubling up on ingredients other than a whole lot of anti-inflammatories and botanical anti-pigmentation ingedients so should be ok. but still only use the diminsh a couple of times a week and build it up just like you are doing now.

If your skin is playing silly buggers and being a bit sensative then I would wait till you feel your skin is strong again (like you did with the balancing cream) before trying them together. If using the ESTS in the am is tingling too much then just keep it for night. Your skin will tell you what it likes and what it doesnt.

My little tip is when you have sensativity to a product step it back a day and step up the vit C. It will help to strengthen your skin back up again.

PCC i am proud of you for getting onto it. I believe this will make surch a big difference for you skin all together. My mission for you is to finish the bottle right down to the last drop.:whipcrack: Think youre up for it??? :waving::glee:

Thanks TBA. I'm on the way to things settling and have lean't my lesson don't worry!! hehe. I would like to ramp up the Vit C as you have mentioned to help the healing however I'm using the diminsh so the retinol content restricts me to a couple of times a week for the moment as you mentioned. I do have some C-10 (from ages ago I got in a pack thingy) but its not so flash on breakout prone skin so I haven't risked it. Hmm maybe I should have gone for the two separate products (ie C sheer and either Ultra A serum or skinceuticals 0.5% retinol serum) instead. I went with the diminsh option though because it seemed to achieve the two benefits from just one product which was kinder to the budget. I'm sure as things settle even more I can start increasing my diminish usage and reaping the benefits!! Fingers crossed anyway!!:glee:

Thanks TBA. I'm on the way to things settling and have lean't my lesson don't worry!! hehe. I would like to ramp up the Vit C as you have mentioned to help the healing however I'm using the diminsh so the retinol content restricts me to a couple of times a week for the moment as you mentioned. I do have some C-10 (from ages ago I got in a pack thingy) but its not so flash on breakout prone skin so I haven't risked it. Hmm maybe I should have gone for the two separate products (ie C sheer and either Ultra A serum or skinceuticals 0.5% retinol serum) instead. I went with the diminsh option though because it seemed to achieve the two benefits from just one product which was kinder to the budget. I'm sure as things settle even more I can start increasing my diminish usage and reaping the benefits!! Fingers crossed anyway!!:glee:

O yes I forgot you didnt have the sheer. No worries. You sound like you have thing under control. Your routine looks good. Please dont loose faith in the alpha H. Just start off slowly and maybe use it once a week for a while and build it up. I use it a few times a week alternating it with my other moisturisers. After my flare up initially i love it now. I hope your faith in Alpha H reinstalled.

Please keep us posted on how it all goes.

Can I just ask one question plz. Where did u get ur Diminish from?? It seems to be delayed shipment everywhere else. You seem to have the holy grail of diminish!! :chuckle::clapping::glee:

No worries, I sheepishly (:redcheeks:) got it from DJs here in adelaide. I was trying to wait for the adore shipment but needed to get the C and A into my routine asap. Betrayal I know but I couldn't wait anymore!!! And I didn't want to get the sheer and skinceuticals and then turn around and make another purchase with the diminish. It was over a week ago I got it too. Hang in there babe it can't be far away!!! At least you have the sheer to keep you going. I'm wondering if its maybe worthwhile me having some sheer on hand anyway.
Once I have got to a more frequent usage point of the Diminish I'll post a review, and of course I will keep you updated..... you girls keep me going, I love these forums. This thread here of mine has even grown considerably in interest.... hehe, yay.

I will re introduce the alpha h balancing moisturiser eventually and thats good to know that you only use it a few times a week, I thought I was abnormal for reacting to it. Maybe the few times a week thing is what I need to aim for also. Thanks for the tip!

Hey girls...... Fuss, I didn't get any tingling or warmth when i started on the diminish. Not worried though. Should i be? I've never used a vit C product before either.


i'm sure it is just the sheer this happens with

tba my diminish was despatched from adore on friday

I think you're right fuss,
this is what is says about sheer..... "You may feel a warm and/or tingling sensation immediately after application, this is due to the release of ascorbic acid into the skin and is quite normal. ". It does say "may" though which means it doesn't HAVE to happen, so I wouldn't worry.
Doesn't say anything about warmth or tingling for the diminish though, maybe because diminish only has 10% vit C whereas sheer has 20%? Not sure.
I'm using the diminish twice a week at the moment and the day after I use it I feel a bit sensitive but I think thats more due to the retinol content.

oh thanks TG "may" that is great news , i feel stacks better now :hugs: :waving:

Yay! Phew.... crisis diverted...... I was worried your blood pressure was rising fuss!

Hi gals,

I have tried to keep up so let me know if I have missed anything ok:

PCC: good stuff on using the c-10. Let me know if you need any advice, just post me a separate thread letting me know everything that you are using and we can keep tabs on things. You should be fine with a mild retinol- maybe super mild like the ultra a cream to begin with and very gradually we will give you your retinol certificate when you run out of each product and put you onto a higher dosage (and yet you addicted. :chuckle:)

Fuss pot: don't stress if it doesn't tingle. Often it's just a PH thing, skins vary in PH so your skin may not tingle that much. Are you planning on using both the C sheer and ultra c diminish? You could do that at opposite ends of the day, but bear in mind that your skin can only absorb so much vitamin c.

Tiger eyes: don't give up (cue the song..) as I said you were naughty and went the hard core too fast. You have to build up to being a tough gal ya know... learn from the master :chuckle: So gradually work in the products I prescribed from alpha h, before you know it your skin will be ready for bigger things!

General: with c diminish you should start every second night for the first week-two weeks this means your skin gets a chance to work out what you are doing to it :) and can cope. This way you won't get retinol face and you get some great results- before you know it your skin will be fine with it every night and you can graduate to the tough girl status.

Now I think the percentages in C sheer and C cream were mentioned. They are virtually the same strength, an additional three percent is added to the C cream to ensure it pennetrates as the base is heavier. All skins respond differently- we are unique so some may tingle and go pink from stimulation while others just say 'bring it on baby'!

let me know if there was anything else I missed in here!

xxx lady allison

thanks lady A

i wasn't planning on getting the sheer so soon after the diminish but a luuurrvvely lady sent me some :penguin: , i will start the diminish even slower so i should be fine with both for a while, eventually i will swap to the skinceuticals .5 or the yet to be released sheer A

will i be ok using the diminish & ESTS at night together & if so do i need to wait between layers ?

Thanks allison.... or shall I call you Master Yoda from this point forward??? :chuckle:
I hereby pledge that the motto for skincare shall not be - "Go hard or go home!" Patience is not my best attribute but i am trying I promise!!!!

Fuss......nice question about the ESTS/diminish combo. My thoughts exactly!

no stuff that I am all about go hard or go home- retinol face has been my companion many a time!

but for anyone else no- I say go slow- it can be scary if you go hard too fast.

Ok fusspot- space the EST serum am and use the diminish PM ok- meanse you have an active at each end of the day.

also once you have used a tube of the diminish we can chat about maybe graduating to a 1% retinol very slowly ok- but don't go there yet ok!!!

thanks gals

xxx yoda :whistle:

:worship:: master yoda

I am losing faith. My skin is a mess it seems to be getting worse despite all this hard work and expense I've put into it. Sure its been about three weeks and its early days but surely i should be at least improving and heading in the right direction rather than going backwards.
I am contemplating a trip to the Dr. Its really getting me down
:saber:

TG :waving::hugs:

my skin decided to go shit in the last day or so , geez it really sux:shakehead:

I'm so over it fuss. Hugs for us :hugs:

Me too!! I have MAJOR breakout city atm! I have been using my vit A and it has helped but I just want it gone now!!

I think its from my peel stimulating the congestion that was there. I am thinking happy thoughts and trying to wish it away.

Hugs to you too TBA!! Man does it suck. Good that your vit A is working to help clear things. I haven;t used my diminish for fear of doing further damage.... what do you think girls? Would it help? It makes sense that it would with the vit A and C but I am so scared with it all at the moment. Baically just using my cleanser and mosituriser with the UC treatment gel and ESTS at night.
To diminish or not to diminish that is the question? I'm using my UC 30+ moisturiser during the day and UC moisturising gel at night as I know this won't cause damage. I am wondering if the HG of megan gale IZ tinted is the culprit? Shock horror. I know its not supposed to cause breakouts but I have heard in some people it does, hmm. BUT, does this mean I if I am one of those people it won't suit, will the UC 30+ do the same due to the sunscreen content? Also, would going back and braving my alpha H balancing moisturiser be better than UC moisturisers? I'm scared with that too since my burning episode. Any help or advice would be appreciated as usual. :shakehead:

And just another question, does Vit C products make you more sensitive to the sun at all?

Trash i think it does the opposite as it strengthens , vit c is an antioxidant which means it helps fight free radicals which cause damage [such as sun damage]

yet another twister for master Lady Allison Yoda

i have used my diminish only maybe 3 or so times so far but i am getting warmth from it , now howcome i would with this & not the vit c sheer ?? or do u get 'heat' from vit a application ?

hi girls,

fusspot yes retinol can cause pinkness and tingling in the skin so take it really slowly.

as for the gals that are having issues it is healthy to have a whinge and a bitc& about those nasty spots but I do need you to be specific in describing exactly what is happening and what you are using am and pm in order for me to help make the necessary tweaks.

now as a general comment: you guys are going hard with some of these products. Some of you have gone really hard- a bit too hard straight up to beging with so there are ramifications my dear little students of hard core skin care!

Just like those nut balls that get peels done at the plastic surgeons and look like raw meat for three weeks after and then look fabulous the same is happening here to a lesser degree.

Your skin has been really exfoliated in using a high strength retinol along with the plethora of other things you went and slapped on every night :chuckle: so we need to allow some breathing and healing time now.

Be aware that your skin cycle (and I mentioned this in another thread today) is a twenty eight day cycle aprox... this means that in the first month of using new skin care that congestion and pigmented cells can be brought up along with the turnover of the old cells and surfacing of new cells.

In another thread I mentioned re-introducing products gradually by mixing something like the simple ultra hydrating gel or the ultra moisturiser in with something like the ultra a treatment cream or the balancing moisturiser and so on.... gradually up the percentage of the active product that you are re-introducing.

In saying this I would prefer to deal with each case one on one and look into exactly what you are doing.

this thread now has a few cases in it so if your skin is still looking poo-poo today then post in the thread with some specifics on what is happening and what you are doing am and pm and we can definitely deal with it all!

I know it is really crapo to feel like your face looks like a la porchetta pizza with the lot but it can be dealt with, just don't stress and be still for a moment- shoot me a post and we will work with the mental skin :chuckle:

so I look forward to more details from each of you soon... I do care my sweeties and I will try to solve it all, it may just take a little time for things to settle and look fabulous

xxx

lady allison

thanks again lady A :hugs::worship:

oops , just realised i hijacked your thread TG :waving::whistle:

Hi Allison,

Ok so heres my problem. I have been breaking out still since my last post to you (where I was considering changing my contraception because I thought that was the cause) but lets talk skin and leave medicine stuff to the pros. I know you think that way too.

I had a Vita peel 2 weeks ago. I was great. Previous to that I had a bit of congestion on my right side. Since the peel I have also gotten my period which im sure has aggrevated it a little but now the congestion has broke out BIG TIME. Sore inflammed pustules. They do have heads but are also deep feeling too. I look like i have a piece of bruchetta on my face!! :tears: i am also experiencing the same type of breakout just under my jawline in a patch on each side in line with the traditional "ovary" zone.

Here are some pics. I hope that helps.

I am using
AM
Just gotten my Triple Action Cleanser back from leaving it at the Marriott 3 weeks ago i have been using up until 3 days agao the Clarins foaming Cleanser for combo skin
Ultra C sheer every second day
Uc 30+
Dark cirlcle eye cream

PM
Cleanser
Liquid Gold every second night (sometimes everynight :ashamed:) i have run out of my ESTS
Ultra A serum (I am running out of this and use it a couple of times a week as Im scraping it out of the bottle)
Balancing moistuiser everynight.

Weekly
twice weekly U/C exfoliant and every now and then when I remember Daily Microfoliant
U/c ACE mask and biore self heating deep cleansing mask (i know!! no judgement plz :chuckle:)

I know you arent a medical professional but as the guru that you are what type of alternative health professional do you recommend to get my insides sorted out? I went to my GP and asked for a blood test to have my hormone levels checked and he looked at me blankly like he was waiting for the men in white suits to come carry me away!!

I have only been one month off my previous contraception. I am going for a micro and peel combo later this week. Whats your advice on the professional treamtnets front (you know i like the technical ones ;) )

:chuckle::glee: Ooops! Here are the pics :redcheeks::whistle:
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I went to my GP and asked for a blood test to have my hormone levels checked and he looked at me blankly like he was waiting for the men in white suits to come carry me away!!
your advice on the professional treamtnets front (you know i like the technical ones ;) )

Grrrr this is one of the main problems I have with GPs. They are so reluctant to perform tests! I asked for my hormone levels to be checked last year and I got the stare too!!! He was like "uhh.....that's not really necessary". I was thinking "geez you're not the one who has to pay for it.". I'd rather have everything checked out early than have my problems drag out for months on end! Stupidheads.

Grrrr this is one of the main problems I have with GPs. They are so reluctant to perform tests! I asked for my hormone levels to be checked last year and I got the stare too!!! He was like "uhh.....that's not really necessary". I was thinking "geez you're not the one who has to pay for it.". I'd rather have everything checked out early than have my problems drag out for months on end! Stupidheads.

WORD! :chuckle::whipcrack:

P.s I DO have alot of regard for health care professionals contray to my posts :chuckle: :redcheeks::whistle::shakehead:

just wondering how much of the diminish & vit c sheer should i be using ?

Oh lord!

It's fine for men isn't it really- they just have a ***** to deal with and it's pretty straight forward from what I can tell. Our bits and pieces are more sublte, we are not in your face and sometimes we do like to know that everything is damned well normal. They are such bone heads sometimes.

God damn it we pop out babies and deal with hormonal fluctations monthly and Doctor knob head (who probably means well) has the gall to look at you funny???!!!!!

ok rant over. Firstly good on you for asking for what you need. It's your body and your job to ensure it's cared for properly and you are being smart.

I have a number for an excellent herbalist that one of my clients has had brilliant sucess with. He ensured extensive tests were done and identified a liver concern and withing six months the acne that had been persiting was clear.

I personally also like the idea of having a homeopath on board as the more subtle influences both physically and emotially are attended to also.

The treatments that you are having have my thumbs up- all good there. The location of the acne suggests that is is hormonal/stress influenced and the fact that it is cystic in size and feeling also backs this up.

So those are my thoughts.

As for your routine- all good. Gradually build up the frequency of the ultra c sheer to daily use as well as your retinol serum- chat with me if you feel you want to look into a higher strength when your skin feel ok with it all.

so you are doing the correct things there for sure.

I really think you are on the right track when it comes to dealing with the internal infuences to the problem, I do believe this will seriously help our cause. Smart gal!

xxx

lady allison

just wondering how much of the diminish & vit c sheer should i be using ?

for general use a pea size should be fine for the face.

xx

Sorry for my absence girls, haven't had a chance to update you. And I don't mind at all that you're all hyjacking my thread (fuss and TBA) ..... totally cool. I learn stuff from your posts too you know, and Allison's responses to you... after all we all have the same issues.

Allison says:
"now as a general comment: you guys are going hard with some of these products. Some of you have gone really hard- a bit too hard straight up to beging with so there are ramifications my dear little students of hard core skin care!"
I know, I know!!! I totally know you're talking about me here and i am fine with that as I am admitting my initial issues re going hard or going home (which we still agree with, just not yet). hehe.

I must say though (in my defence) that i only used the diminish once during that initial period and didn't re-intoduce it until things settled. I learn't my lesson. It was the glycolic overload that did it.

I am s...l...o...w....l....y reintroducing things minus the MG Invisible Zinc, and can i just say that as soon as I stopped using the MG my breakouts stopped appearing. Sure I still have the ones that are healing but I haven't had any new ones since I stopped using it on Saturday. That is unusal for me lately, there's been a persistent new breakout daily or every second day at the longest for the last few weeks.

heres me now:
AM
UC Gentle cleansing gel
ESTS
UC 30+ moisturiser and every second day i add the Alpha H balancing moisturiser

PM
UC Gentle Cleansing gel
UC Diminish (sill only every second day)
UC gel moisturiser

Every second or third day i exfoliate with UC exfoliant gel

Things are better for me now (mind you they seem to be changing rapidly and can go downhill real fast) than they have been for the last two weeks

I went to the Dr today and a pill change was recommended and I am still seeing my naturopath (who I see regularly).

Don't forget to keep me informed to how you're all going, and Allison....... I'm hanging in there Master Yoda.

xxxx

for general use a pea size should be fine for the face.

xx

Ta , :hugs:
just what i had been doing [i say this as a mostly reformed overuser]

Oh lord!

It's fine for men isn't it really- they just have a ***** to deal with and it's pretty straight forward from what I can tell. Our bits and pieces are more sublte, we are not in your face and sometimes we do like to know that everything is damned well normal. They are such bone heads sometimes.

God damn it we pop out babies and deal with hormonal fluctations monthly and Doctor knob head (who probably means well) has the gall to look at you funny???!!!!!

ok rant over. Firstly good on you for asking for what you need. It's your body and your job to ensure it's cared for properly and you are being smart.

I have a number for an excellent herbalist that one of my clients has had brilliant sucess with. He ensured extensive tests were done and identified a liver concern and withing six months the acne that had been persiting was clear.

I personally also like the idea of having a homeopath on board as the more subtle influences both physically and emotially are attended to also.

The treatments that you are having have my thumbs up- all good there. The location of the acne suggests that is is hormonal/stress influenced and the fact that it is cystic in size and feeling also backs this up.

So those are my thoughts.

As for your routine- all good. Gradually build up the frequency of the ultra c sheer to daily use as well as your retinol serum- chat with me if you feel you want to look into a higher strength when your skin feel ok with it all.

so you are doing the correct things there for sure.

I really think you are on the right track when it comes to dealing with the internal infuences to the problem, I do believe this will seriously help our cause. Smart gal!

xxx

lady allison

Thanks Allison!! :worship:

Are you saying i can use 1% now!! :penguin::penguin::penguin::penguin: Dont tease about those sort of things!! :chuckle::whipcrack:

I will seriously look into a herbalist/natropath/homeopath and maybe some accupuncture to boot. You dont have any contacts in brissy do you on the health practioners front??

I am going to start on Ultra Clear and Ultra C tablets this week too to help heal and stregthen from the inside.

:hugs::waving:
xox TBA

How are the breakouts going girls? :waving:

Me...... MUCH better....yay!!!!!

Since last weekend things have been getting better and better, my skin feels settled and I have had judt one breakout all week........ wow.

Either my products have cleared the crap and brought out the good stuff or, the MG was the culprit. I know horrible thought but I have been using the UC 30+ moisturiser in the mornings instead of the MG and my skin is appreciating it.

How many days to go TBA???? How exciting! Best of luck :penguin:

How are the breakouts going girls? :waving:

Me...... MUCH better....yay!!!!!

Since last weekend things have been getting better and better, my skin feels settled and I have had judt one breakout all week........ wow.

Either my products have cleared the crap and brought out the good stuff or, the MG was the culprit. I know horrible thought but I have been using the UC 30+ moisturiser in the mornings instead of the MG and my skin is appreciating it.

How many days to go TBA???? How exciting! Best of luck :penguin:

Yea me too. Now that "ladies week" is well and over my skin has settled down BIG TIME!! Still a bt congested but not half as much inflammation or inflection. The blanacing cream and LG are working a treat!! :clapping: Still going to get to the naturopath during my healing time. I have 2 weeks off work.

TE its on Thursday next week. I'm first chest off the rank :chuckle::clapping::glee: this is me right now--->:penguin::penguin: and this too :glee:
:chuckle:

:chilli::chilli::chilli:
First chest off the rank..... bahahaha.... too funny. I'll be thinking of you and send ing vibes!!!

:chilli::chilli::chilli:
First chest off the rank..... bahahaha.... too funny. I'll be thinking of you and send ing vibes!!!

O i forgot about that little chilli!! How cute! :chuckle:

Thanks TE :hugs::waving: I will let you guys know how I go. Ive been given permission to post some piccies too.:clapping: Woooo!

Hopefully my skin will hold out through the antibiotics and anesthetic. :penguin:

I am using my UC Diminish most nights now and my skin is tolerating it. However, I'm not sure how keen I am on the consistency of it. Is it the same as the C sheer which is designed for breaout prone skins? The last thing I need to be doing is potentially clogging my skin back up again! I like products to feel "light" on my skin and after further research I am feeling like I should have gone for the UC Ultra A serum which people seem to be getting great results from when combined with the ESTS. It does have less retinol (only 0.3% compared to 0.55%) in it though so would this be a step backwards?

Also, I'm ready for a eye cream now (not that I have any wrinkles around my eyes) any suggestions? UC Ultra A Eye cream?

hey girlies :waving::hugs:

my skin has picked up for me too , i'm still only using the diminish a couple of times a week but i will get there
TG the diminish is very similar in texture to the vit c sheer , i had a sample tube of the vit a serum , which i found a little too heavy , not sure why though it doesn't seen to bother anyone else, but i prefer the diminish texture much more
i am so sorry about the mg what an absolute shit , bugger, glad the UC one is working for u


tba here is hoping that the anaesthetic doesn't make your skin play up:kissing:

Thanks fuss, I was hoping you'd respond as I know you have both products. I assumed on purchasing the diminsh that it was the same in texture as the sheer C, hence why i thought it would be ok on my skin as the sheer is marketed at breakout prone skin. Hmm, we should be ok with the diminish then. Will have to wait for Allison's words of widom! Interesting your comments on the ultra a serum too will keep that in mind. I was just thinking that the ultra A serum may have been more targetted at breakouts as it has the BHA + retinol in it. Anyway, will stick with what I've got for now and reassess as my supply runs low i guess.
Glad to hear we are all heading in the right direction with our temperamental skin! Yay!

have u used evenskintone serum TG ? , i can't remeber & am too lazy to scroll back :redcheeks:

the reason i ask is it has made a big difference to my skin

btw they r launching a vit a later this year that is very much like the vit c sheer in texture though not sure of other ingredients at this stage :rollthoseeyes:

Mmmmm the new Vit A product sounds intriguing!!! yay!

Yep fuss i do use ESTS already. I've been using that for a few months now and I agree it certainly makes a difference.

If there was Rehab for beauty product overload and abuse I would be a pemanent resident. I would be like the Lindsay Lohan of Beauty Rehab. Leave Rehab one day and have a relapse the next. Perhaps Lady Allison could devise a 12 step programme for us all to follow!

My name is Tigereyes and I'm a beautyholic

Go the actives!!!!

Me too. My name is The Beauty Addict...the name says it all!! I am addicted but I'm unwilling to admit that I have a problem. Do they have nice food in Beauty Rehab?? :ashamed: :glee:

am still seeing my naturopath (who I see regularly).

Don't forget to keep me informed to how you're all going, and Allison....... I'm hanging in there Master Yoda.

xxxx

great stuff glad to hear the slow approach is working for you!

xx

Thanks Allison!! :worship:

Are you saying i can use 1% now!! :penguin::penguin::penguin::penguin: Dont tease about those sort of things!! :chuckle::whipcrack:

I will seriously look into a herbalist/natropath/homeopath and maybe some accupuncture to boot. You dont have any contacts in brissy do you on the health practioners front??

I am going to start on Ultra Clear and Ultra C tablets this week too to help heal and stregthen from the inside.

:hugs::waving:
xox TBA


great!!!! nope, no one I know in brisbane but see if you can locate an association for homeopaths and naturopaths or contact one of the schools there to see if any of the lecturers practice (maybe avoid student consults for now while they are getting experience).

I am sure a school there or association can recommend someone with EXPERIENCE!!

xxx:glee:

Yea me too. Now that "ladies week" is well and over my skin has settled down BIG TIME!! Still a bt congested but not half as much inflammation or inflection. The blanacing cream and LG are working a treat!! :clapping: Still going to get to the naturopath during my healing time. I have 2 weeks off work.

:glee:
:chuckle:


Yay!!!

I am using my UC Diminish most nights now and my skin is tolerating it. However, I'm not sure how keen I am on the consistency of it. Is it the same as the C sheer which is designed for breaout prone skins? The last thing I need to be doing is potentially clogging my skin back up again! I like products to feel "light" on my skin and after further research I am feeling like I should have gone for the UC Ultra A serum which people seem to be getting great results from when combined with the ESTS. It does have less retinol (only 0.3% compared to 0.55%) in it though so would this be a step backwards?

Also, I'm ready for a eye cream now (not that I have any wrinkles around my eyes) any suggestions? UC Ultra A Eye cream?

it is nice and sheer and won't clogg- with the diminish you get the best of both worlds!

Thanks fuss, I was hoping you'd respond as I know you have both products. I assumed on purchasing the diminsh that it was the same in texture as the sheer C, hence why i thought it would be ok on my skin as the sheer is marketed at breakout prone skin. Hmm, we should be ok with the diminish then. Will have to wait for Allison's words of widom! Interesting your comments on the ultra a serum too will keep that in mind. I was just thinking that the ultra A serum may have been more targetted at breakouts as it has the BHA + retinol in it. Anyway, will stick with what I've got for now and reassess as my supply runs low i guess.
Glad to hear we are all heading in the right direction with our temperamental skin! Yay!

the ultra a is great but it all depends on context. It's really light also... I wouldn't recommend diminish for just any skin- definitely not one that has not used anything of a cosmeceuticals nature on it so I might consider the ultra a serum in that situation.
x

have u used evenskintone serum TG ? , i can't remeber & am too lazy to scroll back :redcheeks:

the reason i ask is it has made a big difference to my skin

btw they r launching a vit a later this year that is very much like the vit c sheer in texture though not sure of other ingredients at this stage :rollthoseeyes:

the A sheer is available now: http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewitem.asp?idproduct=10699
x

If there was Rehab for beauty product overload and abuse I would be a pemanent resident. I would be like the Lindsay Lohan of Beauty Rehab. Leave Rehab one day and have a relapse the next. Perhaps Lady Allison could devise a 12 step programme for us all to follow!

you girls need your hands bound so you stop picking random products that look pretty and new off the virual
shelves!!

: )

Thanks allison, all taken on board!
So just to clarify, for my breakout prone skin, the Diminish (now that I'm used to it and can tolerate it every night, yay) is the best thing? I'm thinking that the higher retinol content plus the C, as you suggested is the best thing all in one product. Was just worried that the consistency of it wouldn't be good and maybe I should have gone for the A serum.

Right then..... I'm off to get my hand bound!


:waving:

great stuff!

we need to sell 'adore beauty anonymous' t shirts for all you beauty addicts. I could turn the beauty room into a recovery centre where we could have IV drips slowly giving your body a dose of beauty products to get you off the habit slowly with meditative music playing

:chuckle:

Hi Allison!!

I am about to start the new regime yo suggested, but do to financial contrictions (stupid needing uni books and furniture!!) I can only start with a few products, what would you suggest i start with?

Also, I am back in Melbourne end of nexy week, I was thinking maybe just pop into the store (I live just over on Lygon) and see you guys and buy them (and some alcehmy!!) that way - what are your hours??

thanks!!!!!!! :waving:

Hi Allison!!

I am about to start the new regime yo suggested, but do to financial contrictions (stupid needing uni books and furniture!!) I can only start with a few products, what would you suggest i start with?

Also, I am back in Melbourne end of nexy week, I was thinking maybe just pop into the store (I live just over on Lygon) and see you guys and buy them (and some alcehmy!!) that way - what are your hours??

thanks!!!!!!! :waving:

Loola all you need to do to your Avator is add the word cupcake and it would be perfect:chuckle:

hehe i am a pink (and green!) girl through and through!

I love cupcakes!!! I love making them, which is good as then i won't eat them as I don't like eating desserts I make as I'm over them and then no high sugar levels for me! I often at work rock up and declare it cupcake day and hand them around.

I have no idea what week I'm up to since commencing my new regime but i think its maybe week 4? Hmm.

Heres where i'm at:

AM
UC Cleansing gel - fantastic
UC ESTS - always fantastic
Alpha H Balancing moisturiser
UC30+ moisturiser - sun protection
UC mineral foundation + concealer if I need it

PM
UC Cleansing gel
UC ESTS - using this twice a day with no issues
UC Diminish - Every night now and tolerating well.. yay!
Alpha H Balancing Moisturiser

About every three days I exfoliate with UC exfoliant gel

No masks as yet. Never really been into them. maybe I should start I don't know.
No Eye cream as yet either...... :redcheeks:. Sorry!!!

I'm in the second half of my cycle so am getting a few breakouts but no big red huge painful ones (dramatic I know) as yet this month. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Progress report = Much improved!!!!

:clapping:

I must say that I had been using U/C ESTS at night and felt it was doing nothing. But I recently switched it and put it in my am routine. All I can say is FANTASTIC!!!!
It has done so much better when I use it in the mornings now. :glee:

Hi Allison!!

I am about to start the new regime yo suggested, but do to financial contrictions (stupid needing uni books and furniture!!) I can only start with a few products, what would you suggest i start with?

Also, I am back in Melbourne end of nexy week, I was thinking maybe just pop into the store (I live just over on Lygon) and see you guys and buy them (and some alcehmy!!) that way - what are your hours??

thanks!!!!!!! :waving:

Loola,

I can't find any recommendations I made for you in this thread. there are so many posts that you will have to quote my recommendations so I can tell you where to begin.

opening hours are here: http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/store.asp

cheers!

I have no idea what week I'm up to since commencing my new regime but i think its maybe week 4? Hmm.

Heres where i'm at:

AM
UC Cleansing gel - fantastic
UC ESTS - always fantastic
Alpha H Balancing moisturiser
UC30+ moisturiser - sun protection
UC mineral foundation + concealer if I need it

PM
UC Cleansing gel
UC ESTS - using this twice a day with no issues
UC Diminish - Every night now and tolerating well.. yay!
Alpha H Balancing Moisturiser

About every three days I exfoliate with UC exfoliant gel

No masks as yet. Never really been into them. maybe I should start I don't know.
No Eye cream as yet either...... :redcheeks:. Sorry!!!

I'm in the second half of my cycle so am getting a few breakouts but no big red huge painful ones (dramatic I know) as yet this month. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Progress report = Much improved!!!!

:clapping:

I am glad that it's going well.... but you said you are using even skintone serum twice a day???!!!!

what???!!!!

:shakehead:

"Apply morning and/or night on clean skin," - Directions on ESTS
"The use Even Skintone once a day for a couple of weeks until tolerance devleops and increase to twice a day" - Dr Heber thread.

Didn't think it would be a problem, doesn't seem to be so far. Should I be worried? Because I am now!!!:shakehead:

Still getting breakouts and the ESTS seems to help them clear much quicker. Doesn't stop them mind you.
Not sure I'd re-purchase the UC Diminish. Happier with ESTS, perhaps I'd be better off with the UC A serum?
Feedback on threads seem to indicate these two work well together.

maybe try the UC vit a sheer as it is lighter than the serum ,[ok , well i found that :whistle:]

Hey Fuss! :waving:
good idea, i remember you mentioned the serum was a bit heavy earlier in the thread. I was thinking that as i typed it even!!
Just out of interest, how are you finding your Diminish?

Hey Fuss! :waving:
good idea, i remember you mentioned the serum was a bit heavy earlier in the thread. I was thinking that as i typed it even!!
Just out of interest, how are you finding your Diminish?

yeah good , but i am still only using it about 3 days a week, , maybe u sholud look at using the vit c sheer

"Apply morning and/or night on clean skin," - Directions on ESTS
"The use Even Skintone once a day for a couple of weeks until tolerance devleops and increase to twice a day" - Dr Heber thread.

Didn't think it would be a problem, doesn't seem to be so far. Should I be worried? Because I am now!!!:shakehead:

Still getting breakouts and the ESTS seems to help them clear much quicker. Doesn't stop them mind you.
Not sure I'd re-purchase the UC Diminish. Happier with ESTS, perhaps I'd be better off with the UC A serum?
Feedback on threads seem to indicate these two work well together.

they must have changed their minds on the product use. when I did my seminars they were adamant that it was once a day. sound like Dr Heber is getting a bit down and hard core about things :chuckle: if your skin can tollerate it twice a day then go for it!

As for serums and the diminish, you may want to try using the ultra c sheer at one end of the day and the ultra a serum at the other end of the day- you will be getting more C in your routine daily and less A but you can see if this way of working it panns out for you. it's only moderately less A...

xx

Thanks Allison (again and again and again!). Will stick to what I have until I run out at least, mind you I'm almost out of ESTS which I will repurchase soon. Definately not getting the larger/red bumps I was getting so thats awesome! Still a few little ones but am being patient (trying at least and hey thats pretty good for me!!). Getting a bit dry occasionally, not hugely but noticable when i look closely at my skin, so maybe ESTS once a day would be enough. Hard to tell which product is doing the best work!
All is well in tigereyes land.
:glee:

xx

great stuff!

Ohh I was doing so well!!! But.... last week my sking started breaking out again, in wierd places, like just above my eyebrows, my cheeks, and either side of my nose. I don't ususally break out in these places its usually restricted to hormonal areas like the chin etc etc. I'm wondering what the hell is going on! The breakouts are small/medium red bumps, some form a head but most don't. Is it the weather change? Is it over exfoliation? hmm unsure. Heres my routine:
AM
UC gentle gel cleanser
UC ESTS
UC 30+ moisturiser, sometimes I add Alpha H balancing moisturiser if feeling a bit dry

PM
UC Gel Cleanser
UC Diminish
Alpha H balancing moisturiser or UC ultra hydrating gel

about 3 times a week UC exfoliant (could this be it..... along with the ESTS maybe too much? would over exfoliation cause this type of breakout?). My skin never feels sensitive or anything after I do the physical exfoliation. I was using ESTS twice a day but got a bit dry, so dropped it back a notch. Hmm wasn't beaking out with it amped up though.

Overall, my skin is looking pretty yuk. Red and blotchy. Some days it feels dry, some days it feels a bit oily. I am confused!!!

Heres to it hurrying the hell up and returning to its post Allison fix up state that it has been for a while proir to this drama!

Any thought or suggestions are always appreciated as usual,
:waving:

Ohh I was doing so well!!! But.... last week my sking started breaking out again, in wierd places, like just above my eyebrows, my cheeks, and either side of my nose. I don't ususally break out in these places its usually restricted to hormonal areas like the chin etc etc. I'm wondering what the hell is going on! The breakouts are small/medium red bumps, some form a head but most don't. Is it the weather change? Is it over exfoliation? hmm unsure. Heres my routine:
AM
UC gentle gel cleanser
UC ESTS
UC 30+ moisturiser, sometimes I add Alpha H balancing moisturiser if feeling a bit dry

PM
UC Gel Cleanser
UC Diminish
Alpha H balancing moisturiser or UC ultra hydrating gel

about 3 times a week UC exfoliant (could this be it..... along with the ESTS maybe too much? would over exfoliation cause this type of breakout?). My skin never feels sensitive or anything after I do the physical exfoliation. I was using ESTS twice a day but got a bit dry, so dropped it back a notch. Hmm wasn't beaking out with it amped up though.

Overall, my skin is looking pretty yuk. Red and blotchy. Some days it feels dry, some days it feels a bit oily. I am confused!!!

Heres to it hurrying the hell up and returning to its post Allison fix up state that it has been for a while proir to this drama!

Any thought or suggestions are always appreciated as usual,
:waving:

With out seeing its hard to know hun.

Sounds like a bit of irritation hun. If its feeling dry as well. How often are u using the diminish? is there any stinging?? or just red bumps.

Increase in oil flow could be it. But with your exfoliation shold prevent any oil realated brak outs. Me thinks it could be more dehydration related. When the surfae dries ot and the oil cant gt out properly.

Have u been sick lately?? any asthma, flu's, stomach upsets, over stress, eye brow waxes??

Hey TBA,
Nah not sick but a bit of stress, but hey whats new. I have a pretty stressful job which stresses me in ups and downs. Sometimes i can tell myself, meh... its just a job, other times (like Now) it gets on top of me a bit. You're probably right, it could be that.
I had been using the diminish every night with no trouble what so ever, but about mid last week I cut it back to every second day to see if it helped settle things, thinking along the irritation lines. I think things have got worse since then though, so I'm contemplating going back up to nightly as at least it may help heal things.

Nothing else unusual happening with me. Just disappointed as I was doing so well. Lets hope I can get back on track this week. Will keep you posted!!!
Ta for advice, love it and appreciated!
:hugs:

Hey TBA,
Nah not sick but a bit of stress, but hey whats new. I have a pretty stressful job which stresses me in ups and downs. Sometimes i can tell myself, meh... its just a job, other times (like Now) it gets on top of me a bit. You're probably right, it could be that.
I had been using the diminish every night with no trouble what so ever, but about mid last week I cut it back to every second day to see if it helped settle things, thinking along the irritation lines. I think things have got worse since then though, so I'm contemplating going back up to nightly as at least it may help heal things.

Nothing else unusual happening with me. Just disappointed as I was doing so well. Lets hope I can get back on track this week. Will keep you posted!!!
Ta for advice, love it and appreciated!
:hugs:

No probs babe!! :waving:

So are u saying u cut back the usage and THEN got the break outs or vice versa?

I would say step it back up. As Lady Allison says Vit A is a nuclear bomb for break outs!! :whipcrack:

hello.:waving: im just new on the forum.. my first post been reading for quite a while but just a question about using the ultra a treatment seum, how are you meant to use this? i usually just wash my face with UC gentle cleanser and then pat my skin dry and apply the ultra A.
Am i using this correct

TIA

Welcome linalee101 :waving:
Sorry I don't use ultra a treatment seum. But I'm sure the other girls will help you out ;)

hello.:waving: im just new on the forum.. my first post been reading for quite a while but just a question about using the ultra a treatment seum, how are you meant to use this? i usually just wash my face with UC gentle cleanser and then pat my skin dry and apply the ultra A.
Am i using this correct

TIA

Hey Tia,:waving: Welcome to Adore!! Hoep you enjoy ur time here!! :glee:

How ur using it is fine. Vit A is best used at night time. It doesnt really have much moisture so you could put a moisturiser like the Ultra Hydrating gel (if your oily) or the ultra moisture (if ur a bit more combo/dry) over the top.

Let us know how u enjoy it! :hearts:

Welcome Linalee :waving:

I don't use the A serum (although I'm thinking I should) but I do use the diminish which also has Retinol (A) in it and i use it at night straight after I've cleansed and on top of that I moisturise. So, yep you have the routine in order I'd say. As TBA says, vitamin A should be used at night as it is sensitive to light. Plus, don't forget you sunscreen during the day!!!

Hey there,

tiger just chill- it's probably the stress lady! :chuckle: Your skin has a habit of being a bit up and down so be calm and make sure you are taking your vitamins and if you are extra stressed go and grab some rescue remedy from any good pharmacy.

as for the ultra a serum use, you cleanse apply the serum and then most folks use a moisturiser on top but this is not necessary if you have an oily skin.

:glee:

Hey Tia,:waving: Welcome to Adore!! Hoep you enjoy ur time here!! :glee:

How ur using it is fine. Vit A is best used at night time. It doesnt really have much moisture so you could put a moisturiser like the Ultra Hydrating gel (if your oily) or the ultra moisture (if ur a bit more combo/dry) over the top.

Let us know how u enjoy it! :hearts:


thanks for the quick reply. Just was thinking, do you think it would be a good idea to use the ultra A serum every night, or would it be a better idea to do it every 2nd night?

do you think if i used it every night my skin will eventually become immune to it, and therefore i would need a break from it for a while?

my skin is combination, with very very mild pigmentation on the top half of one cheek only.

Just want to add I was very religious with my ultraceuticals back in the beginning of last year, getting regular peels, microdermabrasion, using all ultraceuticals line, even the vitamin capsules. during that time last year my skin was the best it had ever been in my life.

i stopped using it religiously around september last year and my skin just went downhill from there.

ive started using it again recently and my skin is only starting to go back to the way it was a year ago.
gota love ultraceuticals.

well worth the money.

gota love ultraceuticals. well worth the money.

Amen sister!

PS welcome to Adore :waving:

Hey there,

tiger just chill- it's probably the stress lady! :chuckle: Your skin has a habit of being a bit up and down so be calm and make sure you are taking your vitamins and if you are extra stressed go and grab some rescue remedy from any good pharmacy.

as for the ultra a serum use, you cleanse apply the serum and then most folks use a moisturiser on top but this is not necessary if you have an oily skin.

:glee:

Tiger is chilled (well I'm trying really really hard so that still counts, hehe)...... my skin is thanking me.
I'm noticing a patern here...... breakouts happening mid-cycle. Hmm isn't that a bit strange, shouldn't it be towards the end of my cycle?

Oh and I use rescue remedy....when i need it, have been doing so for years.
Maybe I should just retire!!! Oh how good would that be????
Hey a girl can dream......:chuckle:

Tiger Eyes break outs mid cycle are common. Normally around the time your hormones peak during your cycle - about 2 and a bit weeks in. Glad its all working out for you!!:kissing::waving:

I've been moisturising in the evening after applying the Diminish. Is this right? I just noticed on another thread, that the Diminish was recommended as the moisturiser. Would I be better off not adding a moisturiser on top of it do you think?

Ta for advice TBA re cycle issues, muah! xx

Tiger eyes what's rescue remedy? :redcheeks:

Tiger eyes what's rescue remedy? :redcheeks:

It's a mixture of Bach flower remedies that you pop under your tongut at times of stress. You can also get them in a spray or pastilles. I recemtly bought the sleep one.

http://www.rescueremedy.com/products/default.asp#remedy

I love Rescue Remedy. I use it for plane trips. Even though I've flown all over the world I'm still a bit of a wuss! :ashamed:

I love Rescue Remedy. I use it for plane trips. Even though I've flown all over the world I'm still a bit of a wuss! :ashamed:

That's me to a t! That's when I use it although I have flown countless times. Came in handy on our last trip back from HK. Had an aborted landing and I was thankful I had it close at hand! One woman was on the floor and being given oxygen, not a pleasant experience. My sister flew (as a purser) for 12 years and only ever experienced 2 aborted landings.

Came in handy on our last trip back from HK. Had an aborted landing and I was thankful I had it close at hand! One woman was on the floor and being given oxygen, not a pleasant experience

Dear god. That would have been me. I think it's that feeling of not having any control over the situation. Quite difficult to let go!

Im just wondering what this does?
i mean i have combination skin and I currently use Ultra A Treatment Serum, I was going to repurchase the Ultra A Treatment serum, but came across te Ultra A sheer facial cream. Apparently this version is for oilier skin types and meant to be good for dull skin.

Has anyone tried this? and how does it compare with Ultra A Treatment serum?

Im just wondering what this does?
i mean i have combination skin and I currently use Ultra A Treatment Serum, I was going to repurchase the Ultra A Treatment serum, but came across te Ultra A sheer facial cream. Apparently this version is for oilier skin types and meant to be good for dull skin.

Has anyone tried this? and how does it compare with Ultra A Treatment serum?

Hey Linalee!!

The Ultra A serum has 0.35% Retinol in it. Its is as the neam suggests a serum and doesn't hydrate (well very much, even though a combination/oily skin could use this by itself)
The Ultra A sheer IS a moisturiser. It has less retinol 0.1% (i think from memory, imght be wrong there but its significantly less than in the serum)
The sheer is the oily skin version of the Ultra A Treatment cream.

You could in fact layer the 2 Linalee for more Vit A and the moisture of the sheer. If you are after just one product I would say the Ultra A serum or even the Ultra C Diminish which has 0.55% Retinol in it (but again is just a serum type product, no moisture)

Hope that hasnt confused things more :hugs::waving::whistle:

TBA, you so smart! :hugs:

Hey Linalee!!

The Ultra A serum has 0.35% Retinol in it. Its is as the neam suggests a serum and doesn't hydrate (well very much, even though a combination/oily skin could use this by itself)
The Ultra A sheer IS a moisturiser. It has less retinol 0.1% (i think from memory, imght be wrong there but its significantly less than in the serum)
The sheer is the oily skin version of the Ultra A Treatment cream.

You could in fact layer the 2 Linalee for more Vit A and the moisture of the sheer. If you are after just one product I would say the Ultra A serum or even the Ultra C Diminish which has 0.55% Retinol in it (but again is just a serum type product, no moisture)

Hope that hasnt confused things more :hugs::waving::whistle:

wow that has definately cleared things up thanks for your wisdom :)

TBA, you so smart! :hugs:

:chuckle::whistle: Sometimes:chuckle: :glee:

Your very welcome Linalee!! Enjoy!! They are great products!!!:hearts:

Just another Q,
I have always used the gentle version of the skintone serum, however i tried to look for the product on one of the websites, but couldnt find it anymore.
they advised me that the product is now discontinued by ultraceuticals.
Is this true?
:(

You shouldn't have any problem with the full strength. I'm a bit sensitive & I started on that one. don't short change yourself on actives, get into it!

You shouldn't have any problem with the full strength. I'm a bit sensitive & I started on that one. don't short change yourself on actives, get into it!

i guess so, but i dont want to risk breaking out when i start it..

Just another Q,
I have always used the gentle version of the skintone serum, however i tried to look for the product on one of the websites, but couldnt find it anymore.
they advised me that the product is now discontinued by Ultraceuticals.
Is this true?
:(

Yep thats right! It's goneskis!! Like M said you will be fine with the professional strength. Best to start of twice a week for 2 weeks then increase the dosage one day/week there after. Its a pretty flexible product ie use morning or night.

ALSO.. Even Skin Tone serum comes in the new pack!! :clapping::penguin::glee:
http://www.adorebeauty.com.au/adorebeauty/viewItem.asp?idproduct=10853

It's a mixture of Bach flower remedies that you pop under your tongut at times of stress. You can also get them in a spray or pastilles. I recemtly bought the sleep one.

http://www.rescueremedy.com/products/default.asp#remedy